And, yes, those numbers (8.5x11) were inserted there when I was saving, and doing a Save-As to overwrite the original.(bug?) So while making Custom Layouts, sort of works, there are lots of steps. but if you notice the attachment, of the Print dialog, the Width & Height boxes are set as zero. But then when you go to print, nothing shows up on the preview screen and the labels don't print. Now the next issues with the Custom (Print dialog) Layouts is that you still need to create the document with the correct 'label' dimensions, so I created a 'Document setup' 'Preset' for each of my Custom Layouts. Designer 1.7.1 (just updated) crashed while creating the second template, I sent the crash report.